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Huh. You’re right, this was old. So old I didn’t even get notified about it. I found this when I went around looking through the threads I was a part of (I just got back to this AU wiki. I’m also going to be picking Flowey and Friends back up a bit too. I’m going through what happens if you fail Flowey’s tutorial on purpose in the next part I’m doing.)

Starting with a retelling of the story in Genocide makes some sense, as he probably did go through something similarly. I imagine it might diverge when he “discovers” none of his friends are “real”, although there’s similarities there, since both cases resulted in him seeing the others as lines of dialogue to just exhaust all the possibilities of. being unable to care for them because you’ve seen how they react to everything and can’t feel love feels really similar to being unable to care for them because an epiphany came around and now you “know” they aren’t real, and can’t care for them (much like a player who disassociated with the narrative of the game after playing it enough times)

I’m seconding the recommendation for Inverted Fate. I will say it’s quite long, but since you wanted “something to read”, that’s probably a bonus in your case, and it really is a good AU, so it’s definitely worth it. It’s a “swap the roles of characters” AU done right. Well, it’s actually even more than just that. But I’m not going to spoil what it has in store…

I’m not sure exactly how I’d pitch it, though. (I don’t have an AO3 account either, but…)

Here makes somewhat sense since it’s pretty adjacent to Undertale AU’s (though it’s actually pretty borderline on whether or not it’s an Undertale AU, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s somehow becomes its own category, not due to any look-a-likes being made, but it just not being able to fit in the ones we already have.)

There’s a reason why my page says this is Undertale if it was written differently. I’ll say that while it’s still true that Flowey doesn’t really care for the monsters, being SOULless now no longer has anything to do with why that is. (Or maybe it does indirectly, I still haven’t worked out the exact mechanics that are behind the actual reason)

If we try to make it in-universe, there are two main changes. The first is pretty easy to mention:Flowey “recognizes” you as Chara since… before the game, as opposed to sometime after he already to kill you.

But there’s an important second change, as well. Take that away, and you basically get Flowey’s plan from Inverted Fate instead of what his actual plan here is.

I’ve hinted at it in the page, and the two of us kind of worked out exactly what the second change is.

But can you imagine what the response would be when the actual reason gets revealed in the Genocide playthrough? It’d look like I just butchered the concept of SOULs and being SOULless completely, and got the reason behind Flowey’s emptiness and utter disregard for the lives of monsters completely wrong.

”It’s because he doesn’t have a SOUL and can’t feel love, not because of some epiphany nonsense!”

”Flowey sees them as predictable, not fictional!”

It’d actually be somewhat funny when they make the exact same mistake people do with Monika (“Bruh HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN HE WASN’T REAL EITHER”) (“How did he think they were fake!”) , but I don’t think the hilarity in recreating the Monika discussions from the DDLC fandom, but in the Undertale fandom, is worth that. (Plus if it turned into flame wars, that’d be bad, so… But yep I think it’d be a recreation of “Is Monika evil?”)

I mentioned here the main idea is Flowey is being rewritten to make the parallels between him and the player closer. Specifically, closer to one game. This would include the whole dynamic, so the reasons for his actions being different make sense. But as a standard Undertale fanfiction?

Anyway, here’s a bonus part.

Looks like Flowey still remembers things from previous playthroughs… Though later on we might be able to look at the route that comes from toying with Flowey.

We were absolutely supposed to think there is. The question is whether “talking flower” being yellow was supposed to be a fake-out by Toby (yellow can also just mean important things), and the joke was just to surprise us with echo flowers instead, or if this really is a vague way to mention Flowey without letting anyone else know (since most characters probably wouldn’t pay much attention to the color of text, if they even see it)

Whatever the actual truth is, Toby’s playing us, in one way or another. Is it a joke book in the center, or a quantum physics textbook? We don’t know, we stopped reading before we got to the center.

That’s a good idea. I’ll probably do a bonus “part” where we skip everything that isn’t new in the Pacifist demo. Just “oh look, you wanted to see what’s different, here, I’ll just show you”. Less like a Let’s play, and more those “What if?” videos you see around YouTube these days.

Genocide is an entirely new thing of its own, but… I can still skip to the Dummy fight, since you don’t really get any choices before then. And I can actually just put Neutral as points of divergence from Genocide when it comes to the demo. Or divergences from Pacifist when it’s closer to the end (like killing only Toriel)

Post-demo? Well that’s where things get complex, but I won’t have to ask these questions again until I finish a “playthrough” of the full game.

I would tell people to put stuff in the comments to suggest things for Nova to try in the game, but if someone namedrops info that wouldn’t have existed at the time, and I made comments that weren’t mine canon, that’d… break the meta-narrative. We aren’t supposed to know the name “Frisk” yet.

(“Chara” might already be somewhat known if the trailer is any indication. But there’s still mostly the idea that the playable character is Chara. The idea that they’re different is probably currently a little-known theory on the fringe for now, based solely off of the fact intro Chara has one stripe, and playable character has two. This is usually either brushed off as an artist error, or considered to mean that the person in the intro is one of the previous fallen humans, but the game says to enter your name, so you’re Chara!)

(And YOU in fact ARE “Chara”, in one sense. With someone else sharing your name being a friend of Flowey’s. It’s a distinction between player and playable character. Something most people wouldn’t have guessed.)

Also, the Premonition thing is actually a good idea.

Now, I’m not sure whether or not Sans actually didn’t know about Flowey in canon Undertale, and really did think someone was pranking Papyrus. Both interpretations make sense.

But even if that is the case, this still works, because you could always say that this really was about Undyne, and also general advice about friends you might make. Both interpretations make sense.

Flowey:Why do you keep coming back?

Flowey:It always ends the same for you anyway.

Flowey:Oh, did you think there was a trick to dodge them? Heehee… What kind of IDIOT would leave a way to DODGE the attack?!

Flowey:Wait, do you keep coming back just to see what I’ll say next time?

Flowey:That’s it. From now on, I won’t be saying ANYTHING.

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(Any future resets is the same thing over and over. Maybe it’s literally no words, maybe it’s “…”, maybe it’s “let’s just get to the point”.)

You’re probably right too.

Like I said, I’m probably not going there at all.

At least here enough people will be able to use it as a useful and funny “what not to do”. But I do imagine people there probably wouldn’t notice the “Terrible” in the title, or anything weird when I say I didn’t make the original Terrible Writing Advice, J.P did, and I’m taking his style.

Sometimes even THAT isn’t enough. (As if Poe’s Law wasn’t bad enough…)

Wait, actually, do these all go together or did you find the images all in different places?

I assumed they all went together.

Even if they don’t 99% chance I was still correct about “it’s a “hug” that actually kills you!1 Very spoopy!”

Uh, yes. He said he was going to give a hug, but next frame we learn it’s a bite.

And it’s a “killer” hug because you’re getting killed.

Standard cliche horror trope.

It’s biting and calling it “hugging”

I think this is supposed to be Horrortale? (Whatever it’s based off of it probably butchered horribly, I don’t think this would happen in canon Horrortale) It’s a very overdone trope in horror-related things.

I’m quite sure I won’t be posting in that wiki but you can be sure that if I somehow do the very first thing I’m putting there is a Terrible Writing Advice episode lol

It’d be about the same as the ones I posted here though since they apply both here and there so don’t go there on the offchance you think you’d be missing anything of value from me in the unlikely situation I even go there

Maybe picking two random worlds to crossover isn’t as bad of an idea as I thought.

I suppose with good execution even some of these might make sense… but it’s best to actually think carefully about how they’d interact instead of just shoving them together blindly and expecting a good result to come out of it.

I’m still convinced Frisk is You would end in one move though

Sorry Baba fans

You think you can actually do well with that? We’ll see if you can make it work lol

Maybe the people who say there are no bad ideas were actually onto something

Well, there’s a way to see what’s already been done. Perhaps if you guys want to make your own, you can look at those and see what they did right. There are distinct things that separate the good ones from the bad. Perhaps after you look at enough of both, you can work out exactly what they are… even if you won’t be able to convey what that is to others.

Once you’ve honed over what makes the good ones good, apply that knowledge. That should make your own work well as well.

So earlier I mentioned everything would have been the same as classical Undertale were it not for Flowey.

This… is no longer exactly the case. The main story? Yes, still the same line for line. But Gaster… might be different.

If I get through multiple routes, I might have an arc all about datamining the game. Gaster has the same level of knowledge Flowey has, perhaps even more. And we’re not sure how these changes affect Deltarune, and thereby Gaster’s experiments in Entry 17.

It’s possible the secrets will resemble Project Libitina. As for Deltarune, that will not begin until we at least get Chapters 3-5, probably not until all 7 chapters, though. In fact, I probably won’t even plan out Gaster until then either. But it’s possible he is different in this AU.

I once did something for 5) as a joke when someone actually said Chara had nothing to do with the Underground (under the presumption THAT was a joke)

But that joke AU I don’t think counts. The humans fell years apart from each other, and the joke AU had all the fallen humans be the same age. (It essentially involved the eight humans being in a literature club together, resulting in a DDLC-like situation. It didn’t go too far, as it stopped once we started getting evidence the initial post wasn’t a joke, and I’m not sure how to decouple the AU from the post while still even selling it as an AU with one basic change.)

Really, I don’t even know how we could even make a serious version of the concept of the humans never falling. Who are we focusing on? It can’t be all the children at once, they likely lived at different times. And for the monsters… they’re still fearing the day a human arrives? Toriel and Asgore are still living together, and…

I’m drawing blanks on how to form an actual plot,